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the oldest

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and strongest human emotion is fear

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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is trepidation of young men

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when we were children our parents told

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane

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my name is lon strickler join me as i

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examine

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unexplained creatures strange

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manifestations of remarkable realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory but for

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new knowledge of the supernatural come

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on board as we begin this adventure

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio

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i'm your host lon strickler and i thank

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you for joining me here

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on the paranormal king radio network now

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before i introduce my guest

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i want to mention an account i recently

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received an eyewitness referral after a

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message was posted on facebook

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in a group page and the following

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information was originally posted there

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i know that dogman is real in 2001 i saw

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one while hunting in pennsylvania

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it was about seven foot tall had a head

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like a dog and a long muzzle it was very

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strange looking with gray and black hair

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with a two or three foot tail it sounded

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like a demon from hell

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i was 45 yards from it i had it in my

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it was one ugly puppy it was standing

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looking towards me had yellow wild

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looking eyes i had a 30 odd six with me

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with a four

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plus 12 weaver scope on it

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i believe it saw me it took a step

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towards me and then took off to my left

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i did take my safety off just in case

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and uh he has a motion in pennsylvania

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and uh it goes by initials tw excuse me

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so um i was given ty's telephone number

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contacted him he um explained that he

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an area that was part of a 110 acre farm

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that he once owned

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now it was a 2001 deer firearm season

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is late fall uh t-y was in his deer

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he noticed some movement in front of him

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thinking that it may be a deer he

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adjusted his scope to take a look

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he was shocked to see an upright pedal

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about 78 foot in height

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a large

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german shepherd with a long muzzle now

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yellow orange in color and it was

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track of what's going on now let's get

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tonight's guest is tiffany renner who is

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and associate timothy is an illustrator

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author book musician living in south

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his illustrations have appeared in the

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fanzines and comics as well as

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so tim thanks for joining us oh anytime

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i i love talking with you i love coming

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now uh first of all for those unfamiliar

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with you uh can you tell

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my listeners how your interest in the

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strange and unusual began

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uh cryptid reports or anything like that

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weird that was happening in my

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bigfoot the next town over i want to

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where the ghost was i really liked these

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true stories i didn't at the time i

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and then it's been uh it's been a wild

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you're part of uh fans of monsters

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i've known you since you wrote your

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first book was that it's been about four

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true stories from toad road and the

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new witness reports and and you funneled

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stuff i had experienced and he said

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your book why don't you write about your

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bigfoot necessarily but

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people keep seeing white things there

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and we both saw it at the same time we

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actually caught it on tape you can hear

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one woman actually reported seeing what

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and we didn't we did not have a drone

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and you know they're walking out of the

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woods i don't know who can fly a drone

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through the woods at night or where they

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would position themselves to be able to

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be able to fly it from from that point

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so they had something weird flying over

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their heads

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um we've recorded some weird sounds out

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there i've

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you know i've left recorders out

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overnight and we've gotten what sounds

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like

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i just call it unknown speech it sounds

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like some kind of speech but you can't

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decipher

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what's being said and that's at about 3

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4 in the morning 3 30 in the morning

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something like that

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out there where it's private property

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nobody should be out there

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so you know i don't know what anybody's

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doing out there at that time

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yeah you've kind of progressed over the

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years with that area and some of the

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the anomalies have well yeah there's a

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lot of anomalies that have come

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forth since then you know the area

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which you you investigate as well as

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other areas just like hex hollow and

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other places

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uh it just seems to be constant

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strangers

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going on at all times and uh

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you know i i know i mean i'm very

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familiar with

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much of the areas you've been you've

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been involved with uh

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not near as much but uh you know

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this part of the country is pretty

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unusual

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yeah i when i started my podcast i

326
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remember people kept contacting me and

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saying

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what is it with pennsylvania and i was

329
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like well you know maybe it's everywhere

330
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maybe it's not just pennsylvania maybe

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if i was living in you know kentucky or

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or north carolina or wherever else that

333
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you know i would just find all the

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all the places to go there but then over

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time i think

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i really do i think there's something

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about pennsylvania because

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when i lived in maryland there wasn't

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you know it's a smaller state but there

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there just wasn't

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that much you know there was some stuff

342
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don't get me wrong and i'm sure every

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state has

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has some stuff but there is something

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about pennsylvania um maybe it's the

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the geology you know i've tried to think

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about why

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we do have a big old uh line of courts

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that cuts down through the middle of the

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state

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um you know if that has something to do

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with there's plenty of granite here uh

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and we have plenty of creeks we know

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that you know these things happen near

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creeks for sure

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and we got plenty of those it is kind of

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bizarre now i lived in maryland for

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almost 40 years and

359
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of course i've had some encounters

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myself but

361
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invariably when you start comparing the

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amount of uh

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uh reports coming out of the state of

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pennsylvania as a compared to

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marylanders

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there's no contest yeah and

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pennsylvania's

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it just um it just seems to

369
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be much more much more unusual it's

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very really varied yeah

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yeah and i mean just between you and

372
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stan gordon

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the the reports you know you've

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collected

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uh i mean there's some really nutty

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stuff

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you know that that goes on and and

378
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indeed like in my book in my new book uh

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that's coming out

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that woman who contacted me about the

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toad man and

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you know she called me she was an older

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woman and uh

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she said you know have you ever heard of

385
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the toad man and when she said that i

386
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thought she was talking about

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loveland uh no no i thought because she

388
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was saying about toad road she called me

389
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and she said i want to talk about

390
00:14:11,990 --> 00:14:09,360
toad road but i thought that doctor that

391
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lived on the end dr belknap a lot

392
00:14:15,030 --> 00:14:13,440
accused him of being a mad doctor and

393
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stuff he wasn't he was you know

394
00:14:18,629 --> 00:14:16,160
innocent he just happened to live near

395
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the end of the toad road but there was

396
00:14:22,310 --> 00:14:21,040
a goofy rumor going around that he he

397
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collected toads and

398
00:14:26,230 --> 00:14:24,320
toad statuary and stuff and that's

399
00:14:27,990 --> 00:14:26,240
that's how the name toad road

400
00:14:29,750 --> 00:14:28,000
got there i don't believe that's true at

401
00:14:31,910 --> 00:14:29,760
all but in any case that was one of the

402
00:14:33,430 --> 00:14:31,920
rumors about him

403
00:14:34,949 --> 00:14:33,440
so i thought she meant him when she said

404
00:14:35,990 --> 00:14:34,959
the toad man i thought oh she must mean

405
00:14:37,189 --> 00:14:36,000
dr belnap

406
00:14:39,910 --> 00:14:37,199
you know that's who she's calling the

407
00:14:40,710 --> 00:14:39,920
toad man oh yeah and then at some point

408
00:14:42,629 --> 00:14:40,720
i i

409
00:14:43,990 --> 00:14:42,639
something about it she she said you know

410
00:14:46,710 --> 00:14:44,000
have you ever been in down the bottom

411
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where you know it goes cuts the road

412
00:14:49,990 --> 00:14:48,560
cuts real close to the doors there she

413
00:14:52,069 --> 00:14:50,000
like is real creepy i said yeah

414
00:14:53,829 --> 00:14:52,079
i've been there many times and she said

415
00:14:55,509 --> 00:14:53,839
well that's where the toad man lives

416
00:14:57,269 --> 00:14:55,519
and then i went well wait a minute so

417
00:15:00,470 --> 00:14:57,279
you're talking about

418
00:15:02,150 --> 00:15:00,480
like a creature and she said yeah i'm

419
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talking about a creature

420
00:15:06,069 --> 00:15:04,320
and and she described this you know

421
00:15:07,350 --> 00:15:06,079
something like the loveland frogman this

422
00:15:10,629 --> 00:15:07,360
this kind of

423
00:15:12,629 --> 00:15:10,639
toad creature and

424
00:15:14,389 --> 00:15:12,639
the weird thing was i i found another

425
00:15:17,829 --> 00:15:14,399
report from

426
00:15:19,750 --> 00:15:17,839
early 1900s from uh between clay and

427
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goldsboro i think which is like eight

428
00:15:22,470 --> 00:15:21,040
miles north of there

429
00:15:24,790 --> 00:15:22,480
where people are talking about a fish

430
00:15:27,910 --> 00:15:24,800
man walking out of the water

431
00:15:31,110 --> 00:15:27,920
and then some of the early reports

432
00:15:33,670 --> 00:15:31,120
i had which i assumed were

433
00:15:35,269 --> 00:15:33,680
bigfoot reports where people being they

434
00:15:36,150 --> 00:15:35,279
talked about green haired things down

435
00:15:38,069 --> 00:15:36,160
there

436
00:15:39,590 --> 00:15:38,079
and even a friend of mine his father was

437
00:15:42,470 --> 00:15:39,600
there in the 60s

438
00:15:43,749 --> 00:15:42,480
and he said he he was on a motorcycle

439
00:15:45,590 --> 00:15:43,759
and he said something was squatting by

440
00:15:48,790 --> 00:15:45,600
the road and he said that was green

441
00:15:50,230 --> 00:15:48,800
or greenish so so it and at the time i

442
00:15:51,749 --> 00:15:50,240
thought well you know sometimes we'll

443
00:15:53,590 --> 00:15:51,759
get these like green haired bigfoot

444
00:15:56,870 --> 00:15:53,600
reports which i always assume

445
00:15:58,870 --> 00:15:56,880
was like lycan or or moss or something

446
00:15:59,590 --> 00:15:58,880
like like a sloth skit sometimes you

447
00:16:01,670 --> 00:15:59,600
know i mean

448
00:16:03,030 --> 00:16:01,680
growing in their hair but now that you

449
00:16:04,629 --> 00:16:03,040
know that's cast a whole new light on

450
00:16:06,230 --> 00:16:04,639
this now this lady's telling me about

451
00:16:07,430 --> 00:16:06,240
this toad manner she said yeah that was

452
00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:07,440
the big worry

453
00:16:10,629 --> 00:16:09,440
she said we we you wanted to get out of

454
00:16:12,629 --> 00:16:10,639
that bottom part

455
00:16:14,389 --> 00:16:12,639
before nightfall because of the toad man

456
00:16:14,710 --> 00:16:14,399
and i had never heard that before but i

457
00:16:16,870 --> 00:16:14,720
mean

458
00:16:18,710 --> 00:16:16,880
it's bizarre but then i found that up

459
00:16:19,430 --> 00:16:18,720
that other report in the newspaper of a

460
00:16:22,310 --> 00:16:19,440
fish man

461
00:16:23,189 --> 00:16:22,320
you know just a few miles away you know

462
00:16:24,629 --> 00:16:23,199
i've never uh

463
00:16:26,389 --> 00:16:24,639
i've never heard of that phenomenon

464
00:16:27,670 --> 00:16:26,399
before and you know oh by the way the

465
00:16:30,150 --> 00:16:27,680
illustrations

466
00:16:31,189 --> 00:16:30,160
which are done by you in the book are

467
00:16:33,030 --> 00:16:31,199
amazing

468
00:16:34,550 --> 00:16:33,040
oh thanks yeah a very accomplished

469
00:16:36,470 --> 00:16:34,560
artist and now you

470
00:16:38,230 --> 00:16:36,480
you've done some great um some great

471
00:16:39,990 --> 00:16:38,240
illustrations but look you know when i

472
00:16:41,910 --> 00:16:40,000
saw your toad man

473
00:16:43,430 --> 00:16:41,920
in the book i thought god that looks

474
00:16:45,910 --> 00:16:43,440
like a love letter what people

475
00:16:46,949 --> 00:16:45,920
you know stated that the loveland frog

476
00:16:49,829 --> 00:16:46,959
man looked like

477
00:16:51,430 --> 00:16:49,839
yeah yeah and i mean and that's what i

478
00:16:53,509 --> 00:16:51,440
talked about a little bit that

479
00:16:54,870 --> 00:16:53,519
you know it sounds really really bizarre

480
00:16:56,550 --> 00:16:54,880
but

481
00:16:58,470 --> 00:16:56,560
people have reported this and there's

482
00:17:01,269 --> 00:16:58,480
there's something well if there's kind

483
00:17:02,870 --> 00:17:01,279
of toad and frog people in folklore

484
00:17:04,470 --> 00:17:02,880
from different parts of the world uh

485
00:17:04,949 --> 00:17:04,480
there's something from japan i believe

486
00:17:07,510 --> 00:17:04,959
but the

487
00:17:08,390 --> 00:17:07,520
the one i zeroed in on was a folkloric

488
00:17:11,590 --> 00:17:08,400
creature from

489
00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:11,600
the slavic area called the voldinoy

490
00:17:14,390 --> 00:17:13,199
and they were these kind of river

491
00:17:16,710 --> 00:17:14,400
creatures and that said they would

492
00:17:18,309 --> 00:17:16,720
sometimes come out and grab people

493
00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:18,319
and and pull them into the river and

494
00:17:22,710 --> 00:17:19,919
they they kept the drowned souls and so

495
00:17:25,510 --> 00:17:22,720
forth and i mean it's all folklore but

496
00:17:26,789 --> 00:17:25,520
i have a pretty strong belief these days

497
00:17:28,870 --> 00:17:26,799
that

498
00:17:30,630 --> 00:17:28,880
these old folk reports these little

499
00:17:32,230 --> 00:17:30,640
folklore reports were kind of like the

500
00:17:33,590 --> 00:17:32,240
cryptid reports of the day that got

501
00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:33,600
turned into

502
00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:35,280
you know these these folklore stories

503
00:17:38,789 --> 00:17:37,280
over time because a lot of the behaviors

504
00:17:40,950 --> 00:17:38,799
of these things are talking about are

505
00:17:42,070 --> 00:17:40,960
very similar to these cryptic creatures

506
00:17:44,549 --> 00:17:42,080
we're talking about today you know

507
00:17:46,549 --> 00:17:44,559
glowing eyes and you know

508
00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:46,559
the different aspects of these creatures

509
00:17:51,190 --> 00:17:48,880
are things they talk about

510
00:17:53,110 --> 00:17:51,200
uh in these old you know folklore

511
00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:53,120
reports and i think they got exaggerated

512
00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:54,400
and they changed and

513
00:17:58,150 --> 00:17:56,080
and of course our culture changes as

514
00:18:01,590 --> 00:17:58,160
well so the way we talk about things

515
00:18:03,190 --> 00:18:01,600
is quite different but it it really

516
00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:03,200
kind of sets a precedent for me it's

517
00:18:05,830 --> 00:18:04,960
like these things existed in folklore

518
00:18:08,950 --> 00:18:05,840
they talked about

519
00:18:11,830 --> 00:18:08,960
these like upright kind of frog men

520
00:18:14,230 --> 00:18:11,840
in various places all over the world you

521
00:18:17,110 --> 00:18:14,240
know the doris creek uh

522
00:18:19,510 --> 00:18:17,120
and then since they built lake markburg

523
00:18:22,549 --> 00:18:19,520
and or project 70

524
00:18:25,029 --> 00:18:22,559
uh you know after it begins again after

525
00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:25,039
it comes over the dam

526
00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:26,720
from that area the whole way to where it

527
00:18:33,669 --> 00:18:28,480
goes into susquehanna has

528
00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:33,679
a lot of folklore uh our family farm

529
00:18:37,830 --> 00:18:37,200
was uh was right there where gladfelder

530
00:18:41,110 --> 00:18:37,840
has the

531
00:18:44,470 --> 00:18:41,120
you know bought the land and and uh

532
00:18:47,750 --> 00:18:44,480
where the uh where the dam is right now

533
00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:47,760
and uh i've heard stories out of there

534
00:18:51,110 --> 00:18:48,080
for

535
00:18:54,150 --> 00:18:51,120
built the dam

536
00:18:57,270 --> 00:18:54,160
and um you know i actually

537
00:18:59,110 --> 00:18:57,280
used to go fishing down on the doors you

538
00:19:01,830 --> 00:18:59,120
could fly fishing down there

539
00:19:03,590 --> 00:19:01,840
and where it where it gets close to

540
00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:03,600
porter saddling

541
00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:06,000
there's a there's a railroad bridge that

542
00:19:10,230 --> 00:19:06,960
goes over top

543
00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:10,240
of it and it's kind of a real secluded

544
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:13,520
area but man i have heard and seen some

545
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:16,320
really weird things that i can't explain

546
00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:18,000
and of course it's not really that far

547
00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:19,360
from where i

548
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:22,240
i had the encounter with the slave woman

549
00:19:26,549 --> 00:19:23,520
right entity

550
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:26,559
so there's a lot that goes on that creek

551
00:19:30,390 --> 00:19:28,000
that creek is

552
00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:30,400
well known for a lot of folklore yeah

553
00:19:34,950 --> 00:19:32,160
and i mean most of the places

554
00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:34,960
in york county that you'll have stuff um

555
00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:36,720
other than like delta

556
00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:38,720
which is down by the river on the south

557
00:19:45,430 --> 00:19:43,990
i'm sure there's a couple others i'm

558
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:45,440
blanking on but really most of these

559
00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:47,520
places are connected to the doors in one

560
00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:48,320
way or another

561
00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:50,160
the east branch of the tourist runs

562
00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:51,840
right through hex hollow

563
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:54,960
right the the uh seven valleys where i

564
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:57,120
get a lot of reports of weird lights and

565
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:58,000
stuff

566
00:20:01,750 --> 00:20:00,400
and uh at least one bigfoot report

567
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:01,760
actually i've got a class b

568
00:20:06,230 --> 00:20:04,240
uh more recently but there was a class a

569
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:06,240
from 1980 i think

570
00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:09,679
in seven valleys and uh tons of weird

571
00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:10,880
light reports from there i mean that's

572
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:11,840
that's the most

573
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:13,280
of everything i get from seven valleys

574
00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:15,360
people talk about these glowing fields

575
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:16,960
the fields will be just glowing green

576
00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:18,080
and stuff

577
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:19,520
and of course the cadores runs right

578
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:21,360
through there like you said to

579
00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:23,840
marburg which is you know where you you

580
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:24,880
had the slave woman

581
00:20:28,549 --> 00:20:26,480
thing and i mean other people have

582
00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:28,559
reported weird ghost stuff around there

583
00:20:32,310 --> 00:20:28,880
because

584
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:32,320
that's a whole sunken town in there

585
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:34,640
um which has to do something we like

586
00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:37,120
with the energy and so forth and

587
00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:39,039
that has to do something weird you know

588
00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:40,240
with uh

589
00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:42,080
if we're talking about energy and ghosts

590
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:44,000
and stuff and then uh

591
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:46,400
it runs on through york city and runs

592
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:49,200
right by um it's a block or two away

593
00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:49,760
from

594
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:52,400
prospect hill cemetery which has some

595
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:53,360
you know pretty

596
00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:54,960
interesting ghost stuff there and then

597
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:56,880
it on up to toad road

598
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:59,600
so uh you know toad road runs right by

599
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:00,720
it

600
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:04,159
right there so as there's something

601
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:06,320
about the cadores creek there really is

602
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:09,600
yeah it really is i uh i've never

603
00:21:14,830 --> 00:21:12,960
been able to understand a lot of it but

604
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:14,840
you know i used to sneak on the

605
00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:16,400
gladfelderland

606
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:18,960
and do some investigations down on that

607
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:20,960
hollow where it just comes off the spill

608
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:22,559
well it's not the spillway but where it

609
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:23,679
goes into

610
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:27,360
to form the creek and uh

611
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:29,600
it's a swamp area that's where that tree

612
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:30,640
is that i

613
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:33,520
really got a bad feeling about it a lot

614
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:35,440
of deer in that area but it's it's just

615
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:39,280
really spooky area i um

616
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:41,679
i used to see and i saw it myself this

617
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:42,960
blue haze

618
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:45,919
that used to uh they used to hover above

619
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:48,080
that whole marshy area

620
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:50,159
it just wasn't a regular haze but it

621
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:51,280
always had a bluish

622
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:54,240
tint to it wow and it just freaked me

623
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:54,880
out and

624
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:57,600
um you know i've heard about that for

625
00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:58,240
years

626
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:01,600
and it it is it's it's got a lot of

627
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:03,200
stories to it you know the people that

628
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:05,120
have lived in that area

629
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:08,240
before they built the dam uh

630
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:11,200
they were mostly uh mennonites dunkers

631
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:12,320
or uh

632
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:15,760
old german mennonites and uh

633
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:16,960
pennsylvania dutch

634
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:20,320
per se and uh they had a lot of stories

635
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:20,960
i mean

636
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:24,720
you know the the werewolves wolf stories

637
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:26,480
came out of there as well my aunt used

638
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:29,039
to tell me all kinds of crazy things

639
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:31,600
that used to be seen on the family farm

640
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:34,159
which was right down in that hollow area

641
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:36,799
wow uh so you know and i wish when i was

642
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:38,159
a kid i had to root it down

643
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:40,000
i really do there's a lot of that stuff

644
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:41,280
i forget now

645
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:44,640
right yeah but uh you know there's one

646
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,280
aspect and you sent me a review copy of

647
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:49,360
the book and um

648
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:52,720
you know the uh the sighting of that

649
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:56,559
wing being down there in uh

650
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:58,320
near the area where you investigate that

651
00:23:01,909 --> 00:23:00,080
i had reported

652
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:01,919
and then you mentioned something i never

653
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:03,600
even thought about this you know

654
00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:05,840
it's not really that far from where the

655
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:07,840
the conewagger creek empties into the

656
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:08,880
susquehanna

657
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:10,799
do you believe it may have been some

658
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:12,400
that same creature

659
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:14,720
the conewago phantom i mean it could

660
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:15,520
have been

661
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,880
you know we're talking about something

662
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:18,480
that's that's kind of similar that

663
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:19,919
people are reporting

664
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:21,440
and it's not that far i mean so the

665
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:23,280
conewago is a few miles

666
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:25,280
you know north of the of the cadorus

667
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:27,360
right i mean that's right in between

668
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:28,000
them

669
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:31,200
you know and i mean you had catalogued

670
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:32,720
all those sightings and it seemed like

671
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:33,200
they were

672
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:35,039
each one went a little further down the

673
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:36,240
conewago

674
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:37,600
like towards the river you know what i

675
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:39,919
mean yeah yeah almost consecutively if

676
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:41,440
you look at the dates it's like

677
00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:43,760
you know yours is right there at uh what

678
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:45,279
they with that area called

679
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:46,640
i was right there at the camp the boy

680
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:48,640
scout cam yeah right where the boy scout

681
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:50,159
camp is and then the next one's a little

682
00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:50,880
further

683
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:54,559
gets to the bridge which is scary

684
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:56,080
anytime you see a mothman around a

685
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:57,760
bridge that's

686
00:24:02,149 --> 00:24:00,400
a scary thing and then it it seems like

687
00:24:04,149 --> 00:24:02,159
it keeps on going down and

688
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:04,159
i would not be surprised if it at some

689
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:05,760
point somebody comes to you with a

690
00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:07,120
report that's in between

691
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:09,279
those areas you know what i mean like

692
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:10,720
from a date in

693
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:12,640
a date before the those persons saw it

694
00:24:17,350 --> 00:24:15,360
at cador's furnace

695
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:17,360
you know or close to kadur's furnace and

696
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:18,400
then after

697
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:19,760
the last one you connected that was a

698
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:21,919
little closer to the boy scout camp

699
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,679
because there's a big gap in there but i

700
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:25,200
wouldn't be surprised if somebody saw

701
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:27,200
because there's that's a lot of creek

702
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:29,520
along there and then again you know who

703
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:30,799
knows we'll we'll see

704
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:32,080
i mean it might have been something

705
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:34,159
different but it sure is close

706
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:36,240
you know to the conewago you know i and

707
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:38,320
i i don't know why i never even thought

708
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,840
about that do i read it in your

709
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:41,600
that tonight and you're wherever you've

710
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:43,200
copied yourself though

711
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:45,279
holy moly you know you just mentioned i

712
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:46,640
thought well

713
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:48,640
i guess it's a good possibility it might

714
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:50,480
be the same thing

715
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:53,200
you know i had i had rep i did have a

716
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:53,840
report

717
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:56,960
near lancaster just north of lancaster

718
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:58,960
of something very similar years ago i

719
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:00,559
don't know what it was but it was

720
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:02,799
it did sound similar but wasn't a very

721
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:04,720
good report but i believe somebody did

722
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,159
see something

723
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:08,240
so the fact that that was you know

724
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:10,880
across the susquehanna

725
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:13,039
uh a few miles from the river i don't

726
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,240
know i don't know if this

727
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:16,720
you know i don't know i mean but it's

728
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:18,159
something to think about

729
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:21,360
yeah yeah it really is and then i

730
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:24,080
the really interesting thing is i found

731
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:25,600
that uh

732
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:29,279
one reference to a dynamite factory

733
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:31,120
and i i can't like i went to the york

734
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:32,320
historical society i said

735
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:33,600
i really like to find where this

736
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:35,600
dynamite factory was they have zero

737
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:37,679
information on this dynamite factory

738
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,640
i was they asked me to give them all the

739
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:42,960
information i had on it

740
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:45,279
where was it supposed to be well they

741
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:46,720
said

742
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:50,159
it was located in mount wolf which is a

743
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:52,159
that's a little far from toad road

744
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:55,200
although i mean it's

745
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:57,120
that's you know it's not terribly far

746
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:58,799
it's a couple miles right

747
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:01,039
but then they said at trout run well

748
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:02,960
trout run is right there that's on toad

749
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:03,760
road

750
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:06,000
so is that the nearest town they were

751
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:07,760
referencing is it somewhere in between

752
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:10,159
um you know i'm not exactly sure where

753
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:11,600
it fell and i could never find out

754
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:12,960
exactly where it fell but

755
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:14,880
it was a dynamite factory where if

756
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:16,080
somebody got killed they had an

757
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:17,360
explosion there

758
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:20,720
and uh the poor guy he they found parts

759
00:26:24,149 --> 00:26:22,400
of him up in the trees

760
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:24,159
and stuff and that was the i was either

761
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:26,480
late 18 i think i was the late 1800s

762
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:28,240
when he died but the thing is like i

763
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:29,600
thought when

764
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:32,159
now we're talking dynamite factories and

765
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:33,200
tnt

766
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,960
and we're we're associating a mothman

767
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:36,720
creature with it i just thought man

768
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:37,200
that's

769
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:39,279
what are the chances of that where this

770
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,720
you know like like i'm thinking of the

771
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:42,720
tnt area down in west virginia down in

772
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:44,080
west virginia

773
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:46,880
and uh i thought wow you know what are

774
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:48,720
the chances that there'd be some kind of

775
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:51,200
like tnt connection to this so i thought

776
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:52,080
that was really interesting

777
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:53,760
but i could i could not i do not know

778
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:55,360
where the footprint of that factory

779
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:56,799
actually was it could be

780
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:59,440
anywhere from toad road to mount wolf

781
00:27:01,990 --> 00:27:00,159
you know somewhere

782
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:02,000
i'm gonna have to take a look myself i'm

783
00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:03,679
gonna have to check that out

784
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:05,919
maybe i can come up with something but i

785
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:07,600
had never heard of that

786
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:09,520
that that's an interesting connection

787
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:10,960
there yeah and

788
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:12,960
and i i've had you know these winged

789
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:14,720
bean settings

790
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,720
uh have been another place of course in

791
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:18,960
littlestown i had the one

792
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:22,399
a very good report though the thing was

793
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:24,159
kind of pinkish in color

794
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:27,120
this thing crossed the road uh just

795
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:28,960
outside of littlestown really very

796
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:31,760
actually very close to the maryland line

797
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:32,240
so

798
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:34,080
uh i don't know i mean is there a

799
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:36,080
ketchup somehow i mean that's adam's

800
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:37,200
county

801
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:40,320
but you know you know it is

802
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:42,960
like you said earlier it's just amazing

803
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:44,559
some of the anomalies that turn up

804
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:47,679
in this area in particular and

805
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:50,399
all over the state yeah yeah and i mean

806
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:51,679
presumably

807
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:52,960
you know well some people have seen them

808
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:54,960
flying so if they're the same thing they

809
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:56,080
can fly

810
00:28:03,029 --> 00:27:59,600
so it's a short hop from littlestown to

811
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:03,039
new oxford to you know the next one if

812
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:04,960
you know if you're uh if you can fly

813
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:07,200
that's nothing

814
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:10,320
but uh yeah it's just i mean and this is

815
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:12,000
all around gettysburg if people don't

816
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:13,600
know the area i mean this is just

817
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:16,799
all around gettysburg so uh right yeah

818
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:17,840
gettysburg

819
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:20,000
and i i just moved recently and i moved

820
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:22,399
a little closer to gettysburg

821
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:25,360
maybe i'll eventually end up there i

822
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:26,799
think i'm going to start spending more

823
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:27,679
time there and doing

824
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:30,320
research i haven't i haven't done that

825
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:32,320
in a while but i i'd really like to get

826
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:35,039
back out there and start looking again

827
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:38,159
uh you know i've got an area a fellow

828
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:39,600
told me i was free to come and

829
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:40,240
investigate

830
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:42,399
he says he's got multiple activities

831
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:44,799
there in gettysburg and it's uh

832
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:46,960
it's 20 wooded acres and i think he said

833
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:49,039
that the confederates camped there

834
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:51,840
when they went through so if uh i mean

835
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:53,679
you're that's the case that's

836
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:56,000
west side of the town then or what's

837
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:57,520
reportedly uh

838
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:00,720
outside of gettysburg then mm-hmm and

839
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:02,720
i mean like i said you're welcome to to

840
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:04,399
come with he seemed like a pretty cool

841
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:07,039
pool guy and he said he said he'd be

842
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:08,480
happy to have me come out

843
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:11,600
so that would be for from that would be

844
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:12,000
an area

845
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:14,720
not far from sacks bridge as well that

846
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:16,559
that you know that whole area is spooky

847
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:17,200
back there

848
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,960
um it it's the area that he's probably

849
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:22,799
talking about is just

850
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:26,080
west of town or west of the uh

851
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:28,880
seminary ridge where the uh the

852
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:29,919
confederate

853
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:33,840
forces came in came east from

854
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:35,440
when they went to chambersburg into

855
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:37,279
cashtown and they started camp and

856
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:38,480
camped out

857
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:40,960
west of gettysburg and uh that's

858
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:43,760
probably areas talking about spooky area

859
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:46,159
it really is you get in there rory in

860
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:47,200
the morning sometimes

861
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:49,679
it's just like it makes you makes the

862
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:51,279
chills go up and down your spine like

863
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:53,840
crazy it really is it's active

864
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:55,600
yeah yeah well i mean gettysburg in

865
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:58,399
general the whole

866
00:30:02,789 --> 00:29:59,840
feeling of the place changes when the

867
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:02,799
sun goes down it's very touristy during

868
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:03,520
the day

869
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,840
very touristy and and there's a good bit

870
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:07,600
of ghost tourism too they have you know

871
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:08,320
they they

872
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:10,080
they have a ghost economy there now i

873
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:11,840
think probably more than a historical

874
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:12,880
economy

875
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:15,360
i believe you're right that's probably

876
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:16,559
true i mean you

877
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:18,640
you get a lot of these metaphysical

878
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:19,919
shots moving there

879
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:22,320
and you know it seems like everybody

880
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:24,240
under brother that's into any type

881
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,159
of thing that's metaphysical has got

882
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:28,240
something connected with gettysburg now

883
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:30,240
yeah yeah i mean it's big business there

884
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:32,240
but even with that even with all the

885
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:34,080
tours going on even with the

886
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:36,320
you know all the tourism of every kind

887
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:38,159
there when the sun goes down

888
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:40,399
the mood really changes there it really

889
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:41,679
does it and especially if you're out

890
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:42,720
away from people

891
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:45,679
you can feel it it just i mean for

892
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:46,880
whatever it's worth the

893
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:49,279
the feeling just really changes yeah the

894
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:51,360
area around the gettysburg i mean found

895
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:52,559
around the battlefield

896
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:55,679
is is is good as well i mean at least

897
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:57,519
that's not locked up at nighttime you

898
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:58,080
know

899
00:31:01,750 --> 00:31:00,240
yeah you actually get it around those

900
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:01,760
areas at night

901
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:04,240
but uh it's a i believe it's a shame you

902
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:06,000
can't get on the battlefield at night

903
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:08,000
because uh i used to do it when i was a

904
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:09,200
kid

905
00:31:13,509 --> 00:31:11,600
and there was no regulation back then

906
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,519
but god i used to go just take my tent

907
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:15,360
and camp out you know

908
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:18,799
and yeah they it it wasn't too long ago

909
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:19,200
it was

910
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:22,320
the popularity of ghost hunting i think

911
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:23,440
they had to shut it down

912
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,039
i think that's the reason why they did

913
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:27,120
it yeah yeah

914
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:29,440
because there's a and the the ghost

915
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:30,880
tours they know exactly where they can

916
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:32,640
be they'll take you right to the edge

917
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:34,640
you know the park and and they know

918
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:36,159
they're they're okay you know where they

919
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:37,679
can be and where they can't

920
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:40,720
but i remember you know my wife and i

921
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:43,360
it going in there at night you know this

922
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:45,840
so this would have

923
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:48,559
early 2000s probably you know and we

924
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:50,000
could still go in there at night it was

925
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,880
it was

926
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:52,080
you know illegal we weren't breaking any

927
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:53,360
laws or anything i think you had to be

928
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:54,399
out after 10

929
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:55,919
but you were still allowed to go in and

930
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:57,440
you know i remember us taking

931
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,679
we got some really neat orb photos i

932
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:01,279
remember this is a pre-digital camera we

933
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:02,960
just we had a film camera

934
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:04,240
and we were picking we were picking up

935
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:06,159
some orbs and stuff on the on the

936
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:07,440
battlefield

937
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:09,279
but yeah no more they don't they don't

938
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:11,039
they don't really appreciate that

939
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:13,600
you go to gettysburg go down 116 stop

940
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:15,519
and pick me up and i'll go with you

941
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:19,279
all right because uh like i said

942
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:21,200
right now i'm only like 12 miles out of

943
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:22,559
gettysburg so

944
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:24,320
we should we should do like a we should

945
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:26,159
set up a phantoms and monsters uh

946
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:28,080
4d investigation team just meet up and

947
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:29,440
just everybody go out there

948
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,840
that would be really neat i i gotta yeah

949
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,600
i'm glad you mentioned that that might

950
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:35,039
be something to do

951
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:37,519
and you know the gettysburg itself has

952
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:39,200
had some really strange bigfoot

953
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:40,240
sightings

954
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:42,880
yeah oh yeah yeah they get some weird

955
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:44,720
stuff there and

956
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:47,440
i mean it's you know when we talk about

957
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:48,880
bigfoot in pennsylvania

958
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,159
that's one of the biggest things that

959
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:54,000
kind of has pushed me away from thinking

960
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:56,000
that it's a it's a natural

961
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:58,159
creature and i'm not saying it can't be

962
00:33:01,830 --> 00:32:59,919
you know maybe someday somebody brings a

963
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:01,840
body in and they prove me wrong

964
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,840
but but right now i mean i just

965
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:07,679
there's something really really weird

966
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:09,519
about it and uh

967
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,720
i i think it was uh uh

968
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:14,640
one of the fellows out maybe brian

969
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:16,240
steech one of the fellas out there was

970
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:16,960
saying to me said

971
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:18,480
like where where do they come from and

972
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,760
where they go and i said well that's

973
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:21,360
that's the big question right

974
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:22,960
yeah where do they come from and where

975
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:24,399
they go because they're not

976
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:26,799
i mean hey i love york county and i'm

977
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:28,559
glad we have tons of sightings here i

978
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:28,960
mean

979
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:31,039
for the for where we are you know

980
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:32,720
bigfoot saying we got a good bid

981
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:36,399
i got a good bit this year um and

982
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:38,240
i love it you know and i believe these

983
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:39,200
people they're you know they're not

984
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:40,080
lying these

985
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:41,600
when they tell me these stories you can

986
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,360
tell there's uh

987
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:45,279
i'll tell you about another albatric

988
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:47,600
sighting in a minute

989
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:50,080
and but anyway that but i i just don't

990
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:51,440
believe there's a breeding population

991
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:53,360
here i just i really don't

992
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:55,120
so where are they going you know i mean

993
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:56,559
and and people are seeing them all times

994
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:57,840
a year so they're not

995
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:59,919
i don't think they're migrating through

996
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:01,279
there's you know there's something weird

997
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:02,799
going on with them that's all i can say

998
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:03,919
i don't know

999
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:07,039
you and i you know we

1000
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:09,040
go on the side of the interdimensional

1001
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,399
type thing and uh yeah

1002
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:12,240
yeah stan's been talking about that for

1003
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:13,760
years and

1004
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:17,520
uh of course sean he he will definitely

1005
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:18,639
not talk

1006
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:21,679
he's definitely flushing blood and

1007
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:23,760
but you're right i don't i i don't

1008
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:25,839
believe there is a breeding population

1009
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:26,480
and

1010
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,399
the fact that people are seeing someone

1011
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:30,720
look i saw something back in 81 down in

1012
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:31,919
maryland

1013
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:33,679
i don't know what the hell it really was

1014
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:35,760
it looked like a bigfoot but

1015
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:37,440
and it looked like it was flesh and

1016
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:40,720
blood but used to say what it was

1017
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:42,480
i mean you know there have been

1018
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:44,480
sightings in that area of sykesville

1019
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:48,639
for years but you know there there's got

1020
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:49,359
to be if

1021
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:52,079
it's indigenous it's got to breed right

1022
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:54,159
you know to keep a population going

1023
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:54,639
there is

1024
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,680
it is this some type of uh

1025
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:59,520
interdimensional being that comes back

1026
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:01,119
and forth i i think that's

1027
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:03,520
possibility i really do yeah i mean it

1028
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:05,359
it's

1029
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,839
doesn't sound any cuter to me than a

1030
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:11,280
breeding population of eight foot tall

1031
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:11,920
eight men

1032
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:14,800
you know i mean like like it's it's just

1033
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:16,000
they're both

1034
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:18,960
kind of wacky things to be talking about

1035
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:20,079
again i'm not saying i don't believe

1036
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:21,680
people i absolutely believe people and i

1037
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:22,160
believe

1038
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:23,839
when they see them they're as physical

1039
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:25,839
as you know anything else as the trees

1040
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:26,240
and

1041
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:31,440
but i you know again they just they

1042
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:33,280
don't act like regular animals

1043
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:34,800
that's all i can say whatever they're

1044
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:36,400
doing they're not they're not staying

1045
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:38,400
here all the time

1046
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:40,720
if they are they're they have some kind

1047
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:41,680
of

1048
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:43,839
you know i don't know i i just can't

1049
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:44,880
imagine it well

1050
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:47,200
i think for the most part the east coast

1051
00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:48,960
people seeing the east coast and midwest

1052
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:49,760
are

1053
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:53,359
i've thought that for years

1054
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:56,079
i believe there is possibly a breeding

1055
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,160
population in some areas

1056
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:00,720
you know pacific northwest texas down

1057
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,320
south down into florida

1058
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,320
i i think there very well may be

1059
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:06,400
breeding populations of some type of

1060
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:07,440
hominid

1061
00:36:11,910 --> 00:36:09,359
but as far as what people are seeing

1062
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:11,920
around the east coast all up and down

1063
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:14,160
the east coast into the midwest

1064
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:16,240
now i just don't buy into that i just

1065
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:18,480
don't buy into the uh

1066
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:21,680
indigenous flesh and flood species yeah

1067
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:22,720
yeah i just it

1068
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:26,560
it doesn't make sense to me so get this

1069
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:28,960
i was at the albatwitch day

1070
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:31,200
remember that report you took of that uh

1071
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:32,320
woman who saw that

1072
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:34,880
that uh little creature just south of

1073
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:35,520
red line

1074
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:38,560
yeah so they they had interviewed me

1075
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,640
uh you know kind of promotion for albert

1076
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:42,560
which day the the local paper did

1077
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:44,480
and it went to the ap so when it went

1078
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:46,320
all around like that story went all

1079
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:46,880
around

1080
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:49,599
a lot of papers picked it up and towards

1081
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,480
the end of the day

1082
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:52,320
i was i was actually like folding up my

1083
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:54,079
stand and put my books away and getting

1084
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,520
ready to go

1085
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:57,119
this guy comes up and he's got the

1086
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:59,119
newspaper like tucked under his arm he's

1087
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:00,560
walking with his daughter he had a

1088
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:03,760
teenage daughter and

1089
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:06,800
he said i read this newspaper article

1090
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:07,359
and

1091
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:09,040
he said i didn't know what these things

1092
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:10,880
were called he said

1093
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:14,079
no one would i didn't tell anybody about

1094
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:15,440
this except my daughter and

1095
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,880
a few other people i didn't have anybody

1096
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:18,480
to talk about this

1097
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:20,079
he said i've seen these things i've seen

1098
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:22,240
them twice

1099
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:24,400
both times he saw him in that same area

1100
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:25,359
of red lion

1101
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:27,760
is that right yeah and he he did not

1102
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:29,680
hear anything about this before he never

1103
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:31,839
knew about that other report

1104
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,920
he told me the one he said i saw when he

1105
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,280
was a kid he said i was about 10 years

1106
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:37,440
old and i was with my brother

1107
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:39,040
he said it was standing out back the

1108
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:41,119
stores he said it's about four foot tall

1109
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,240
skinny thing covered in hair

1110
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:46,400
and he said it was standing like at the

1111
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,920
edge of a field or something he said my

1112
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:49,440
brother walked right up to it he said

1113
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,359
it had the creature had its eyes closed

1114
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:53,440
he said he said it reminded me of like a

1115
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:54,640
little kid when they close their eyes

1116
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:56,000
and like you can't see me because my

1117
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:57,280
eyes are closed

1118
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:58,800
that's that's how he kind of explained

1119
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:01,040
it and he said his brother walked right

1120
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:02,560
up to it and looked it right in the face

1121
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:04,000
he said his brother was face to face

1122
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:05,760
with it until he finally he called to

1123
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:07,119
his brother he said come on run

1124
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:09,920
run get away from that and uh he said to

1125
00:38:13,109 --> 00:38:11,760
this day his brother will not talk about

1126
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:13,119
it he's tried to get his brother to talk

1127
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:14,400
about it multiple times his brother

1128
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:16,079
won't talk about

1129
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,320
he saw it again uh when he was driving

1130
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:19,920
as an adult he said it ran out of a

1131
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:20,880
cornfield

1132
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:23,119
kind of a little bit in front of his car

1133
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:24,240
ran back up the bank

1134
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:26,400
and then back into the cornfield it got

1135
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:27,920
another good look at it again

1136
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:30,160
he said i i've never known what the

1137
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:31,599
either they had a name he said i didn't

1138
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:33,200
know other people had seen these

1139
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:36,240
and this guy was so earnest

1140
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:37,839
and so truthful my wife was standing

1141
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:39,200
next to me now i've mentioned this

1142
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:41,119
several times my wife's a skeptic

1143
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,880
she'll be the first one to say you know

1144
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:44,480
we're all crazy for being into this

1145
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:45,119
stuff

1146
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:46,720
she's she let me know any harm by saying

1147
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:49,040
it i feel you man my wife was the same

1148
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:49,680
way

1149
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:52,079
yeah yeah it's just that's just you know

1150
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:53,040
she's not

1151
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:54,560
she doesn't believe and that's fine i

1152
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:55,920
like having a skeptic around it's a good

1153
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:56,560
thing

1154
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:59,200
keeps me in check but she turned to me

1155
00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:59,599
later

1156
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:01,839
like after he he left and she said i

1157
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:03,040
don't know what he saw

1158
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:05,839
but he saw something she's like i i

1159
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:08,079
believe he saw something he was not

1160
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:10,240
telling a lie he was not telling a story

1161
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:11,760
he saw something

1162
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:13,280
and uh his daughter was like kind of

1163
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:15,119
encouraging him to talk to me like like

1164
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:16,720
you know like dad you need to get this

1165
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:18,960
out kind of thing i gave my card i gave

1166
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:20,079
my number there was

1167
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:21,520
rock music playing on the street it was

1168
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:23,200
really loud they had bands so i

1169
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:25,520
it was hard to talk to him but i said

1170
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:26,880
you know i begged him i said like here's

1171
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:28,000
my personal number please

1172
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:29,680
call me i live right in town i'd you

1173
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:31,599
know i'd love to talk more about this

1174
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:33,200
i don't know that he will i think i got

1175
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:34,640
the impression that he just kind of

1176
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:36,800
wanted to get it off his chest

1177
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:38,480
and be done with it hopefully he'll

1178
00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:40,480
contact me maybe you'll hear me i

1179
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:41,839
you know i gave him my card for the

1180
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:43,280
podcast maybe you'll hear me talking on

1181
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:43,839
there and

1182
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:45,440
and decide to contact me or maybe his

1183
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,960
daughter will encourage him to contact

1184
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:48,480
me i don't know

1185
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:50,960
but both of those sayings were you know

1186
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:52,960
one was right in the exact area that

1187
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:54,160
that woman saw it

1188
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:57,040
on that road i mean within less than a

1189
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:57,440
mile

1190
00:40:00,790 --> 00:40:00,000
like like right there and then the other

1191
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:00,800
was

1192
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,440
you know a couple miles to the uh south

1193
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:05,280
of that but in the same it's just in the

1194
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,280
same general area

1195
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:09,119
well if i remember that report right

1196
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,560
that i had received she

1197
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:12,720
this thing was really small and she saw

1198
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,880
it she thought it was a

1199
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:16,400
she didn't really know what it was but

1200
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:19,599
it was uh hairy hominid very short

1201
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:21,920
and this thing ran across the field at a

1202
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:23,280
great speed

1203
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:24,960
just freaked her out she had pulled the

1204
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:26,800
car over to watch this thing

1205
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:29,440
yeah and she was watching it it had to

1206
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:30,480
be at least five

1207
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:32,800
minutes or so yeah she got a good long

1208
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:34,000
look at it it was booking

1209
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:37,119
i mean it was booking you know so god

1210
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:38,160
you know what it was

1211
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:39,839
so i'm i'm going to beat the pavements

1212
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:41,200
and says yeah i mean it's right right

1213
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:42,480
where i live here

1214
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:44,240
yeah you live in red line and see if i

1215
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:45,760
can get uh some people

1216
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:47,440
some other people to talk i think it'd

1217
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:49,040
be really interesting like from that

1218
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:50,000
area i'm just gonna

1219
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:53,280
gonna you know uh hit the shops and

1220
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:54,079
stuff in that area

1221
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:55,760
i've had some success in doing that we

1222
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:58,079
um there was an old

1223
00:41:01,829 --> 00:41:00,640
uh ufo landing site in gatchellville

1224
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:01,839
that uh

1225
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:05,119
they mentioned in 1978 and it had kind

1226
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:06,079
of been forgotten like

1227
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:07,839
some people gatchables was like yeah it

1228
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:09,440
was somewhere around here

1229
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:11,119
um the people at the gatchellville

1230
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:12,560
general store which is a

1231
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:14,720
it's just an antique store it's not a

1232
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:15,680
general store

1233
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:17,599
uh it's great antique store very super

1234
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:18,560
nice people they're the ones who

1235
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:19,599
originally told me about it they said

1236
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:21,119
yeah there's a ufo landed somewhere

1237
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:22,880
around here and i was like well where

1238
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:25,680
they didn't know but there was a pizza

1239
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:26,240
shop

1240
00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:28,240
down there and i just happened to the

1241
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:29,839
the owner was coming out

1242
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,839
and i just happened to ask her and she

1243
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:33,280
said well i think it was over the hill

1244
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,720
there and i had had

1245
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:36,720
someone from maryland had come up and

1246
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:39,040
taken photos of the landing site

1247
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:41,040
uh you know in 1978 when it happened and

1248
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:42,800
he had sent me a photograph of it

1249
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:44,240
so i knew you know kind of what it

1250
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:46,000
looked like and then

1251
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:47,680
i was able to actually find the landing

1252
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:49,839
site just you know that was just by

1253
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:51,280
knocking yeah i didn't have to knock on

1254
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:52,880
a door i saw her outside her pizza shop

1255
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:53,280
but

1256
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:55,200
it's the same kind of idea so i thought

1257
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:56,560
well you know what i'm just gonna start

1258
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:57,760
asking around here

1259
00:42:02,230 --> 00:41:59,839
maybe somebody else will say you know

1260
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:02,240
hey i saw something weird too you know

1261
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:02,800
and

1262
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:05,920
it because i think it's

1263
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:08,160
very very strange like this guy didn't

1264
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:10,000
know anybody had ever seen it and when i

1265
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:11,200
told him

1266
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,560
you know where that report was that you

1267
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:14,160
took he said well that's that's exactly

1268
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,720
where i saw

1269
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:16,560
the the second time i believe when he

1270
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:18,079
said it ran out of a field

1271
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:20,160
that was right there he said you know

1272
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:22,160
within you know

1273
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:24,560
less than a half mile i believe you know

1274
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:25,359
it

1275
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:28,720
interesting if we could get people in

1276
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:29,760
this area

1277
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:31,839
to start opening up more and more about

1278
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:35,040
what people are seeing because uh

1279
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:36,800
there have to be a lot of things that

1280
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:38,240
we're not hearing about

1281
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:40,240
oh i'm sure there are but well that's

1282
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:41,920
the thing like

1283
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:43,359
so a lot of pennsylvania dodge they

1284
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:45,680
don't want to talk in general

1285
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:49,440
and then but when you get people to talk

1286
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:52,800
they almost everyone has something

1287
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,560
weird that has had some kind of

1288
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:56,480
experience it's really really strange

1289
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:56,880
because

1290
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:00,000
even people say they don't believe

1291
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:02,000
you poke them a little bit and then

1292
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:03,680
they'll say well there's what's this one

1293
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:04,160
thing

1294
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:05,680
that happened and then they'll tell you

1295
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:08,319
they'll tell you something i mean

1296
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:11,040
my wife the skeptic she she's the first

1297
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:12,000
person i know that

1298
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,440
saw what we've been talking about on my

1299
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:15,839
podcast that flannel man that

1300
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:17,119
thing that people see it looks like a

1301
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:18,960
lumberjack or whatever

1302
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:20,400
you know and now she doesn't believe it

1303
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:21,920
was anything other than some kind of

1304
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:22,960
hypnagogic

1305
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:25,359
thing or you know sleep paralysis or or

1306
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:26,000
some sort of

1307
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:28,640
thing like that but she is pretty amazed

1308
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:29,839
that i mean i've gotten

1309
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:33,040
40 some people 40 some reports now of

1310
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:34,720
people all over the country all over the

1311
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:36,000
world who have seen

1312
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:39,359
the same thing this guy dressed in

1313
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:40,160
flannel

1314
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:42,160
you know and they describe it's not

1315
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:43,359
always the same and it's not always the

1316
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:44,800
same exact description some describe

1317
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:45,760
this tall

1318
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:47,359
with a beard others you know shorter

1319
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:49,280
with no beard but it's a guy wearing a

1320
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:50,880
flannel shirt a red flannel shirt for

1321
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:52,079
the most part there although i have

1322
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:52,800
gotten a few

1323
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:56,960
brown and i think blue but but like 95

1324
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:59,040
plus it's a red flannel shirt or a red

1325
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:00,319
check shirt and

1326
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:03,599
either blue jeans or blue work pants

1327
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:05,920
i mean i don't know what that is but you

1328
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:08,480
think it's a specter of some type yeah i

1329
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:09,440
mean my feeling and

1330
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:11,920
this is just based on so a lot of people

1331
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:13,040
report that

1332
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:15,040
it looks surprised or caught when they

1333
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:16,480
see it

1334
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:19,839
looks surprised or caught so

1335
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:21,440
my thought is it's it's some kind of

1336
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:24,079
watch or some kind of observer

1337
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:25,920
for what reason i don't know i don't

1338
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:28,000
know most of the people don't get a

1339
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:29,040
sinister feeling from it they're

1340
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,160
surprised because

1341
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:32,160
you know it shouldn't be in their house

1342
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,079
so they wake up and there's you know

1343
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:36,560
they shouldn't be there so they're not

1344
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:38,079
you know they're certainly surprised and

1345
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,440
scared by it being there but they don't

1346
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:41,520
get a particularly like evil or sinister

1347
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:42,720
feeling from it

1348
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:45,359
and uh you know so i don't know what it

1349
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:46,079
is i'm just

1350
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:48,079
i'm i'm collecting reports because a lot

1351
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:49,520
of people you know

1352
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:52,240
have seen these things um but like i

1353
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:53,200
said my wife the

1354
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,880
she's she was the first person i ever

1355
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:56,640
knew who who saw that

1356
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:59,359
and uh i talked about a little bit on

1357
00:45:01,910 --> 00:45:00,720
the podcast and that's what opened up

1358
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:01,920
then somebody else is like wait i've

1359
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,040
seen that and then

1360
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:05,280
then it started like snowballing and i

1361
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:06,560
wasn't the first person to do that i

1362
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:08,480
mean john keel had talked about

1363
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:11,359
uh ghosts and check shirts i think so

1364
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:12,079
i'm sure yeah

1365
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:13,359
we're probably talking about the same

1366
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:15,440
thing and in fact i read it

1367
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:16,640
the reason i knew it was more than just

1368
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:18,319
a dream my wife had is i read about it

1369
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:19,520
somewhere i forget where

1370
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:21,760
some some internet form or something you

1371
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:23,599
know 15 years ago or whatever

1372
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:26,480
i read about it and then somebody said

1373
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:27,599
oh yeah people are seeing this

1374
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:29,599
lumberjack guy and i kind of put it in

1375
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:30,880
the back of my head

1376
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:32,560
but uh i mean that's just another

1377
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:34,000
example like even even my wife's a

1378
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:36,079
skeptic she's seen this flannel man

1379
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:39,359
uh i've had a lot of i had a guy call me

1380
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,599
who who uh he wanted to talk about like

1381
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:43,680
the history of toad road

1382
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:45,520
um because he grew up in the area he's

1383
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:47,760
retired and he's in florida

1384
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:50,000
and uh he said oh you don't believe in

1385
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,920
all that you know supernatural nonsense

1386
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:53,520
and regards to i said well that's what i

1387
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:54,960
write about and you know

1388
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:57,040
i have to believe my witnesses i don't

1389
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,480
believe they're lying

1390
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,480
uh so he's like oh that's nonsense and

1391
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:02,240
then he tells me a story about a ghost

1392
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:02,640
cat

1393
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:04,960
that jumped on his bed he was he was

1394
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,480
petting it you know he didn't have a cat

1395
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:08,480
he wakes up he's petting this cat

1396
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:11,280
and uh goes to sleep wakes up in the

1397
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:12,319
morning starts looking

1398
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:14,720
for this cat no cat and all the windows

1399
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:15,839
and doors are locked there's no way a

1400
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:17,040
cat could have gotten in

1401
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:18,640
and he thinks well i must have dreamed

1402
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:20,240
it and then his wife comes down in the

1403
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:21,599
morning says why are you petting a cat

1404
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,710
that happens a lot i mean not

1405
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,400
necessarily like cat but

1406
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:30,400
right you know these things that show up

1407
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:31,839
phantoms show up and

1408
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:35,359
uh uh you know you know it's something

1409
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,240
you know

1410
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,640
you were mentioning uh about these

1411
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:40,480
things acting surprise you look i mean

1412
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:41,839
you know that's a phenomenon

1413
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:44,000
stan gordon and i have been talking

1414
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:45,760
about recently

1415
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:48,640
uh as far as cryptids i mean i'm talking

1416
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:49,920
about bigfoot

1417
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:53,760
spirits even some bipedal

1418
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,200
canines where they these things

1419
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,760
notice that you notice them and they act

1420
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:01,680
surprised

1421
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:04,560
that's something that we haven't been

1422
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,359
experiencing or been told about

1423
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:09,599
until recently it's it's a it's a

1424
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:11,280
strange phenomena

1425
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:13,760
there's more more reports that i receive

1426
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:15,280
now that

1427
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:18,960
when somebody sees

1428
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:22,960
one of these beings and it realizes that

1429
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:23,280
you

1430
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:27,040
recognize it it acts surprised

1431
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:28,800
you can see it in the eyes you can see

1432
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:31,359
the expression the way it moves

1433
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:33,920
uh that that's something else that just

1434
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:35,599
kind of makes you think well maybe this

1435
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:36,720
is some type of

1436
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:39,119
interdimensional being of some type

1437
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,079
that's you know

1438
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:43,200
that feels that it's that it's cloaked

1439
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:44,319
somehow but

1440
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:46,480
you recognize it and you see it and it

1441
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:48,400
does it surprises them

1442
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,880
yeah yeah i mean that's i did i

1443
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:54,400
it seems logical you know i mean like

1444
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:57,599
like that's weird but it's you know

1445
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:59,280
you know there's something else i mean

1446
00:48:02,549 --> 00:48:00,960
we've also been talking about and i've

1447
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:02,559
mentioned this on the radio show before

1448
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:03,599
these uh

1449
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:06,079
the fact that these light anomalies or

1450
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:07,200
orbs are

1451
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,200
showing up more and more around uh

1452
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:11,200
cryptid sightings

1453
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:14,319
uh i mean what's the connection there is

1454
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:14,880
it

1455
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:21,599
non-terrestrial beings you know there's

1456
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,480
there's no way

1457
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:24,240
at this point to really see what kind of

1458
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,520
connection it is

1459
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:27,599
but the fact that they're showing up

1460
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:30,240
even days after a sighting

1461
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:32,559
right yeah makes you think that ah you

1462
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,520
know

1463
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:35,040
there's something else going on there

1464
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:36,720
and i've always thought i'm quite sure

1465
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:37,280
you two

1466
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:40,319
have as well that many aspects of the

1467
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:41,119
supernatural

1468
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:44,800
paranormal are connected yeah yeah i i

1469
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:46,400
think the longer

1470
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:48,559
if your approach is like ours so you

1471
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:50,160
know we look at everything

1472
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:52,000
right we don't specialize it's not just

1473
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:54,240
like we're bigfoot guys we're not just

1474
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,040
whatever we look at anything weird that

1475
00:49:01,829 --> 00:48:59,680
comes our way ghosts bigfoot ufos

1476
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:01,839
and if you do that i think it's really

1477
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,079
hard not to see connections

1478
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:06,319
because yeah they'll start acting the

1479
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:07,520
same way even though they're different

1480
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:08,720
phenomenon you know

1481
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,960
poltergeist activity you get knocks and

1482
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:12,480
on this on the houses and

1483
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:15,280
stones thrown inside the house and bad

1484
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:16,079
smells

1485
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:17,680
and then you it was josh cutcher who

1486
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:19,280
pointed that out to me because

1487
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:21,359
i had a experience in hex hollow where i

1488
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,599
got you know some knocks some

1489
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:25,680
with sound like uh stone knocking and

1490
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:26,720
then

1491
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:30,079
bad smell and and i was

1492
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:32,240
saying man i you know i had a class b

1493
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:33,599
bigfoot thing and he said well you don't

1494
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:34,720
know that he said

1495
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:36,240
you know that happened inside a house

1496
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:38,000
you called that a poltergeist

1497
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:39,520
and it really changed my life that kind

1498
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,440
of changed my whole way of thinking

1499
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:43,680
about the situation i was like yeah you

1500
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:44,559
know what i don't

1501
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:45,839
i don't know that i don't know what it

1502
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:47,359
was because i didn't see anything i only

1503
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:49,040
had you know i was scared i remember i

1504
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:49,359
got

1505
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,680
you know terrified uh during the

1506
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,280
incident and i wanted to run but i

1507
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:55,359
couldn't

1508
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:56,880
i wasn't being brave my knees just

1509
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:58,640
locked up uh but

1510
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:01,920
uh it yeah i mean and and that's what

1511
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,200
got me thinking i was like you know what

1512
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:05,200
there's too much in common across the

1513
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:06,480
board here

1514
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:08,480
i i mean i just you know i can't prove

1515
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:10,079
they're related but

1516
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:12,240
we can certainly say that they like to

1517
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:14,240
be in the in the same places around the

1518
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:16,880
same time

1519
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:19,280
well you know you know you mentioned

1520
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:20,160
that we we

1521
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:23,359
kind of look into everything now you are

1522
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:24,480
part of that um

1523
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,800
the investigative team with the chicago

1524
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,480
wing humanoids

1525
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:30,480
yeah what's your thoughts on that whole

1526
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:32,400
thing oh my goodness

1527
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:34,720
i i mean the wing humanoids in general

1528
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:35,599
are

1529
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:38,960
they're a real pro i mean not a problem

1530
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:40,160
in as much as i mean

1531
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:42,559
i i think the witnesses are good and and

1532
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:44,240
well you know we we took some flack

1533
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:45,359
because

1534
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:47,280
we weren't sharing witness names and and

1535
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:49,280
i always say well name me the research

1536
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:50,800
group that shares witness names and

1537
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:51,440
phone numbers

1538
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:52,960
that's something i've never really

1539
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:55,119
understood why we heard so much

1540
00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:57,280
bull about that yeah it was it's

1541
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:59,599
complete nonsense it to me it was like

1542
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:01,920
like people stomping their feet you know

1543
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:03,680
you know i wanted i wanted well

1544
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:06,240
if we start giving witness names away

1545
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:07,119
we're not going to get any more

1546
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:08,559
witnesses no

1547
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:10,319
it's not easy to get witnesses to come

1548
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:12,240
forward it's not an easy thing

1549
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:14,079
you've worked for years building up

1550
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:15,280
phantoms and monsters

1551
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:17,200
you know for some place where people can

1552
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:19,280
go and they know they can report this

1553
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:19,680
stuff

1554
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:21,280
if you start giving out names and

1555
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:23,040
addresses and phone numbers

1556
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:24,240
it's going to be the end of fandoms and

1557
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:26,720
monsters real exactly yeah yeah you just

1558
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:28,400
you can't do it and and the fact that

1559
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:30,559
people expected us to do that

1560
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:32,720
was outrageous to me because no one does

1561
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:34,480
it i'm go to any of these bigfoot

1562
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:36,079
organizations across the country and ask

1563
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:37,680
them for their witness list and watch

1564
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:39,920
them laugh you out of the room

1565
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:42,000
and i don't blame them you know because

1566
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:43,440
that's that's what

1567
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:45,839
what it is you know well unfortunately i

1568
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:46,880
think some people

1569
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:50,160
kind of felt that we were

1570
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:52,880
invading their territory or phenomena

1571
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:54,480
for some reason

1572
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:56,880
yeah we know who it is but yeah it's

1573
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:58,640
just that

1574
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:01,599
yeah it it's it's not only childish but

1575
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:03,200
it's just ridiculous

1576
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:05,200
yeah yeah and you know it's something

1577
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:06,559
that i would never do

1578
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:10,240
you know and i've mentioned it before

1579
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:11,040
about the you know

1580
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:13,200
oh we couldn't get the police report

1581
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:15,119
i've said this before you know

1582
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:18,079
on several shows with you and so forth

1583
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:20,079
no one can get police reports

1584
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:23,119
we've filed uh foia requests for

1585
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:25,520
tons of police reports local ones right

1586
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:26,720
here in york county

1587
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:28,960
one the one in chicago the police don't

1588
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:30,480
give you those reports there's nothing

1589
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:31,280
to do about it

1590
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:33,040
we can't afford to hire a lawyer to make

1591
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:34,480
them do it you know if

1592
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:35,839
and that's the only way you'd be able to

1593
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:38,000
do it yeah yeah

1594
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:39,839
you didn't take them a court to get it

1595
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:41,119
exactly because

1596
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:42,960
yeah they're supposed to but they don't

1597
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:44,480
they just don't fill the foia request

1598
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:45,599
and there's nothing we can do about we

1599
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:47,359
can ask and we did ask

1600
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:49,280
that's all we can do you know and and

1601
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,960
just because they didn't fulfill these

1602
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:52,720
four requests for other people

1603
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:54,160
doesn't mean the the police reports

1604
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:56,240
weren't there or that the people never

1605
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:57,440
reported to the repo

1606
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:59,680
police i mean i've talked to several

1607
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:01,119
police officers who said you know yeah

1608
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:02,800
we don't file those reports because it's

1609
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:04,000
a problem

1610
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:06,319
yeah because we'll take the reports from

1611
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:07,680
people but then we don't file them

1612
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:08,079
because

1613
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:10,480
it just it looks bad you know it looks

1614
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:11,599
bad for for us

1615
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,359
you know and we'll have to address this

1616
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:17,520
in a way that that becomes a problem you

1617
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:19,440
know for for their career basically

1618
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:21,440
it was just easier for them not to so

1619
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:23,359
well i think these police officers

1620
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:26,559
these the two specific police officers

1621
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:28,160
that had the encounter i think they

1622
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:30,160
actually did file it but i

1623
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:31,920
i have no doubt that it went into the

1624
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,839
circular file because it

1625
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:36,000
you know as soon as i came that was

1626
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:37,839
written up they got rid of that

1627
00:53:41,349 --> 00:53:39,440
yeah i think i think that happens a lot

1628
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:41,359
too they just squash them like now this

1629
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:41,760
is

1630
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:44,240
you know well you know there was there

1631
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:47,280
was a concerted effort

1632
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:50,640
with city hall and uh the officials in

1633
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:51,839
chicago

1634
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:54,319
to keep the tampas down as much as

1635
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:55,440
possible

1636
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:57,280
i mean i heard that straight from you

1637
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:58,640
know source

1638
00:54:01,829 --> 00:54:00,960
because one of her witnesses happened to

1639
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:01,839
work

1640
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:05,839
the mayor

1641
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:09,280
and uh she wasn't going to give her name

1642
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:10,960
out to anybody

1643
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:13,680
but i i was able to check up on a few

1644
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:16,480
things with the phone number and uh

1645
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:18,640
it turns out she really did work for the

1646
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:19,680
city

1647
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:23,200
and you know her her thing was

1648
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:25,760
there's just no way i am going to let

1649
00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:27,599
people know that i made this report but

1650
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:29,599
she said i do tell you i will tell you

1651
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:30,640
one thing

1652
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:32,480
city hall knows about it the mayor knows

1653
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:34,800
about it the cops know about it

1654
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:38,160
you know i we tried to get

1655
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:42,400
access to um to video

1656
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:44,880
you know that was controlled by the city

1657
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:46,000
oh yeah yeah

1658
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:48,799
never happened it was gonna i try

1659
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:49,920
actually

1660
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:52,640
i i can uh got a hold of several

1661
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:54,640
security companies

1662
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:57,359
with you know that had actual security

1663
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:58,640
with buildings where some of these

1664
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:59,440
things have

1665
00:55:02,789 --> 00:55:01,520
took place they weren't going to give it

1666
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:02,799
to me yeah

1667
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:04,480
it's it you can't make people do it

1668
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:06,799
either you know so

1669
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:08,559
but the fact that people were were had a

1670
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:10,160
problem with that it's just i mean

1671
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:11,760
they're just making they were looking

1672
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:14,000
for problems

1673
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:16,000
to to point because they they were upset

1674
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:17,599
that uh they weren't getting the reports

1675
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:19,599
i believe that that's my

1676
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:21,040
my belief but i have to tell you it was

1677
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:24,000
damn fun when it lasted

1678
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:26,079
yeah this was definitely something that

1679
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:28,480
we have never experienced

1680
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:30,640
especially in an urban area like that oh

1681
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:32,559
my lord i mean yeah that was entirely

1682
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:33,200
different

1683
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:35,119
i know i remember asking at the time you

1684
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:36,240
know because you know

1685
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:38,319
you got a good bit of years experience

1686
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:39,599
with me with this i said lon

1687
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,599
is has this ever happened before you

1688
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:43,440
said not like this

1689
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:45,280
uh you know because that's what was the

1690
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:46,640
feeling at the time like man these are

1691
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:48,319
coming in fast and furious

1692
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:49,520
and they haven't stopped but they've

1693
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:51,359
slowed down

1694
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:54,400
yeah i mean it kind of migrated somewhat

1695
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:56,640
to the north up into wisconsin and we

1696
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:58,240
had the one real good sighting in

1697
00:56:02,710 --> 00:55:59,839
milwaukee

1698
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:02,720
but uh i don't know is it something

1699
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:05,599
that's going to start back up who knows

1700
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:08,559
but you know the you know i don't think

1701
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:10,559
it was a hysteria thing i don't think it

1702
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:10,960
was

1703
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:13,200
where a few reports got out then

1704
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:14,480
everybody thought they were going to do

1705
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:15,040
that

1706
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:19,920
know the way we got the reports and

1707
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:22,240
uh how they didn't embellish on the

1708
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:23,440
reports

1709
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:27,119
very forthcoming and that

1710
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:29,200
when you told them well there have been

1711
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:31,040
other reports in the area

1712
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:32,880
well i never heard that you could tell

1713
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:34,640
they'd never heard of it right

1714
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:37,119
right and once again we we did have

1715
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:38,480
people on the ground there i mean they

1716
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:39,760
were going to the

1717
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:42,880
site of every one of these

1718
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:44,640
there and there are some people who who

1719
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:47,680
claim they did that but uh

1720
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:50,319
yeah well you know yeah that's right and

1721
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:51,920
yeah

1722
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:54,160
but i you know you and i both are

1723
00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:54,960
involved with

1724
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:57,760
something a project that's that's going

1725
00:57:04,870 --> 00:56:58,079
to

1726
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:04,880
some type of tv or movie production

1727
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:06,400
and it's going to include this thing in

1728
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:08,880
chicago so um

1729
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:11,359
maybe at that point when it gets out

1730
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:13,359
maybe some of these other

1731
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:16,720
maybe some other sightings will surface

1732
00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:19,280
i'm kind of hoping so i'm you know i'm

1733
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:19,839
i'm sure

1734
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:21,440
because you know as many sightings as we

1735
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:23,040
got i'm sure there were more

1736
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:25,280
there's always people who don't come

1737
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:26,880
forward it takes them a long time

1738
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:29,040
before they want to talk about something

1739
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:30,400
and you know there's some people who

1740
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:31,280
have to be

1741
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,960
really encouraged you know like i said i

1742
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:34,400
think that fellow with the

1743
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:36,319
the two you know albe twitch we'll call

1744
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:37,440
it the too many

1745
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:40,079
little little hairy guy things you know

1746
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:40,559
i think

1747
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:41,920
it was really his daughter that was just

1748
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:43,440
my impression it was really his daughter

1749
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:44,799
kind of encouraging him to like

1750
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:46,640
go talk to somebody about this you know

1751
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:47,839
yeah

1752
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:49,839
and a lot of times that's that's what it

1753
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:51,839
takes to get somebody to open up and

1754
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:52,240
talk

1755
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:55,040
somebody in family yeah that happened

1756
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:56,720
many times

1757
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:58,640
yeah absolutely because it's i mean it's

1758
00:58:01,190 --> 00:58:00,079
these things aren't easy to talk about

1759
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:01,200
because

1760
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:02,559
a lot of you know a lot of people aren't

1761
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:04,160
going to believe you they're they're

1762
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:05,119
just not

1763
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:06,880
that's just that's the name of the game

1764
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:08,240
you know that's what we go through every

1765
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:08,880
day

1766
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:12,000
yep yep well tim why don't you tell my

1767
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:14,000
listeners uh

1768
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:15,920
how they can get in contact with you

1769
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:17,200
where they can find you

1770
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:19,760
and how to get your books sure so the

1771
00:58:22,910 --> 00:58:21,040
easiest place is

1772
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:22,920
my podcast website which is

1773
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:24,400
strangefamiliars.com

1774
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:26,079
and all that contact information goes

1775
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:28,000
directly to me so if you want to get

1776
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:29,040
books directly

1777
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:30,640
from me that you can email through the

1778
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:32,240
podcast or you know

1779
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:33,839
however you want to contact me they're

1780
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:35,280
all on amazon as well you can either

1781
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:36,000
look up timothy

1782
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:38,160
renner or look up the individual books

1783
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:40,640
my first book is beyond the seventh gate

1784
00:58:44,549 --> 00:58:42,400
my second was bigfoot in pennsylvania my

1785
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:44,559
third was bigfoot west coast wildman and

1786
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:45,920
the new one just about coming out is

1787
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:47,440
called don't look behind you

1788
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:49,119
it's a companion volume to the first one

1789
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:50,480
but you you really don't have to have

1790
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:51,280
the first one

1791
00:58:54,549 --> 00:58:53,040
to to read the new book you can read the

1792
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:54,559
new book independently

1793
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:56,640
uh but it they do make a nice companion

1794
00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:59,040
if you want to get them both

1795
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:01,280
yeah they're excellent books i've uh

1796
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:03,119
i've recommended

1797
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:06,559
a lot and uh i

1798
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:08,480
i kind of got through what you sent me

1799
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:10,160
today but i'm gonna definitely read all

1800
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:11,119
of it

1801
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:12,880
and i will definitely read the book when

1802
00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:14,400
it comes out so hey

1803
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:16,559
tim thanks again for joining me oh thank

1804
00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:18,880
you and i will be talking

1805
00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:21,520
many times in the near future all right

1806
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:27,430
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1807
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1809
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:34,880
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1810
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:37,839
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1811
00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:39,920
leave this with the listeners

1812
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:43,119
american-born author historian and po

1813
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:46,400
poet abhijani once stated

1814
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:49,599
human beings in a sense may be

1815
00:59:55,309 --> 00:59:51,680
thought of as multi-dimensional

1816
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:55,319
creatures composed of such piotic

1817
01:00:00,309 --> 00:59:58,160
considerations as the individual need

1818
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:00,319
for self-realization

1819
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:03,760
subdued passions for overwhelming beauty

1820
01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:05,760
and a hunger for meaning beyond the

1821
01:00:12,829 --> 01:00:09,280
flavors enter and exit the physical body

1822
01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:12,839
a person might even be described as a

1823
01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:16,000
self-contained multiverse

1824
01:00:30,250 --> 01:00:17,839
i thank everybody for listening to the

1825
01:00:30,260 --> 01:00:54,829
[Music]

1826
01:01:03,020 --> 01:00:57,200
so

1827
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:08,829
[Music]

1828
01:01:36,829 --> 01:01:11,700
so